"CB" (jrcb)
07/13/2020 at 20:04 • Filed to: Is it worth it at this point?
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"CB" (jrcb)
07/13/2020 at 20:04 • Filed to: Is it worth it at this point? | 2
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EDIT: Seven speed manual is available with the four cylinder, but not the six cylinder engine.
Also, pricing for the Bronco sport, which looks... not terrible price wise. It’s a fugly Freelander, though.
PowderHound
> CB
07/13/2020 at 20:14 |
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I was going to say that seems expensive but then I remembered it’s in Canada money
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CB
> PowderHound
07/13/2020 at 20:14 |
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I mentioned Canada twice in my post, I don’t know what you expect from me.
Poor_Sh
> CB
07/13/2020 at 20:16 |
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Why is Canada important again? I don’t get it. Are you guys somehow different in that state?
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CB
> Poor_Sh
07/13/2020 at 20:16 |
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#banamericans
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PowderHound
> CB
07/13/2020 at 20:17 |
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It’s hot out I can’t think straight
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CB
> PowderHound
07/13/2020 at 20:18 |
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With a name like yours, I accept that excuse. Damn heat.
Just Jeepin'
> PowderHound
07/13/2020 at 20:19 |
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Base price is marginally higher than the Wrangler, so I don’t see a price war in the offing.
Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
> CB
07/13/2020 at 20:23 |
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I love that one of the model names is the outer banks. I'll probably end up with the Big Bend, as much as I'd love the wildtrack I know I wouldn't be able to afford it
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Poor_Sh
> CB
07/13/2020 at 20:29 |
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I prefer bananamericans. Better potassium.
Brickman
> CB
07/13/2020 at 20:43 |
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base model with steelies. Build up from there ;)
notsomethingstructural
> CB
07/13/2020 at 20:50 |
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Starts at like $28.5k USD for the base 2 door and like $27k for the sport. I was hoping the base would be closer to $27k but that’s still not bad and isn’t a “well it was fun to dream” price for me
Spasoje
> CB
07/13/2020 at 20:54 |
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Making the manual four-banger only just put my dad into a Wrangler... Why’d they have to do that??
Gone
> CB
07/13/2020 at 20:59 |
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Know it doesn’t work this way, but using the current exchange rate (rounded to the nearest $10):
Base: $29,750
Big Bend: $30,860
Black Diamond: $34,160
Outer Banks: $34,530
Badlands: $38,930
Wildtrak: $42,970
The US has an additional model, the Fi rst Ad dition above the Wildtrak in pricing.
fintail
> CB
07/13/2020 at 21:09 |
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ADM on these will be hilarious.
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fintail
> CB
07/13/2020 at 21:10 |
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Thanks to ‘Rona, you get that wish!
CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
> CB
07/13/2020 at 21:12 |
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Put me down for a black diamond chief
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Gone
> CB
07/13/2020 at 21:29 |
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Yikes that First Edition price lol...
DasWauto
> Spasoje
07/13/2020 at 22:04 |
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Some sort of aversion to 4 cylinders? The 2.3 ecoboost has more power and torque than the 3.6 pentastar.
FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com
> Spasoje
07/13/2020 at 22:23 |
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The Wrangler only offers the manual on the 3.6L that is pretty similar in output to the 2.3T (285/260 vs. 270/310). Having spent some time in the new Ranger and tons of time in various FCA vehicles with the Pentastar, I’d much, much rather rather have the EcoBoost unless Bronco ends up weighing several hundred more pounds than the Wrangler which seems unlikely. Especially up here at 7,000+ feet. These little Ford motors just pull like crazy from low revs. The 2.3T isn’t the smoothest engine ever but neither is the peaky, buzzy Pentastar. I agree that Ford offering the V6TT with a manual would’ve been a slam dunk, but it isn’t like Wrangler is offering the manual with a meaningfully more powerful motor than Ford is.
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Spasoje
> DasWauto
07/14/2020 at 01:18 |
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Sound is a factor. Carwow did a review of a Gladiator with a Jeep accessory exhaust - it’s such a good sound. Also, my dad’s more old school: in a car this size (or bigger), he’d choose a bigger NA engine over a smaller turbocharged mill ten times out of ten.
On top of that , we have quite a lot of experience driving mid-sizers downsized to turbo fours: real-world fuel economy is worse than the six-pots they replace, but cost to buy and maintain is higher.
So yeah, lots of reasons behind it.
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Spasoje
> FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com
07/14/2020 at 01:21 |
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True, though if you put one of Mopar’s accessory exhausts on the Pentastar, it sounds sooooo good. See Carwow’s review of the Gladiator for what I’m talking about.
Where we are, altitude isn’t a factor, so the added cost of the turbo four over a Pentastar isn’t worth it. Plus, based on my own experience with downsized midsizers, I'd expect the real-world fuel economy to be likely the same as the Pentastar, if not worse.
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DasWauto
> Spasoje
07/14/2020 at 05:06 |
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Sound is a far point, the pentastar can sound pretty good, though having driven both, between the 2.3/2.7 eco boosts it’s moot as neither sounds particularly good.
Turbo 4s can produce more power/torque than the V6s they replace and can get better fuel economy, but not at the same time. Turns out, if you give people extra power, they’re gonna use it, and then they’re surprised they’re not getting the fuel economy. Having had small turbo 4s in my previous and current DD, both are capable of reaching and beating their listed fuel economy numbers, but the plentiful torque is fun so I use it and more fuel as a result, especially in the WRX.
i86hotdogs
> CB
07/14/2020 at 08:23 |
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That black diamond trim is very appealing.
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Spasoje
> DasWauto
07/14/2020 at 12:00 |
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I find the fuel economy aspect depends on the size of car. The turbo four in my Jetta is a great fit - I get both the power and the fuel economy, all the time, no matter how I drive.
However, comparing, say, the old I6 XC90 and new I4 XC90, the story is way different. You do get the power and acceleration on paper, but in most scenarios, both the T5 and T6 feel about as sprightly as my 3.2, but get 1-2L worse in the city (fun fact: the Yamaha V8 and the 3.2 get the exact same real-world fuel economy in these things! ). On top of that, they cost more to buy, and literally sound like Corollas...
So with a larger car that’s been downsized to a turbo four , you’re paying more, both initially and at the pump, for a worse sound and not significantly better performance.
In any smaller car, I’m all for a turbo four; they’re a great fit . In larger cars, I wouldn’t be so eager.
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DasWauto
> Spasoje
07/14/2020 at 12:42 |
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I think in larger vehicles driving habits matter even more with the small turbo motors. My coworker, who drives very slowly, had a 2.7EB F150 with which he managed to average close to 25mpg all the time. My brother, who drives reasonably gets just under 20mpg with the same drivetrain in his F150. My dad also drives reasonably, has the 5.0 in his F150 and gets under 17mpg. The benefits are there but driving habits make a huge difference.
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Spasoje
> DasWauto
07/14/2020 at 17:20 |
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For sure! Gotta say though, the couple-MPG penalty is definitely worth the better overall experience ( of the bigger engines) to me.